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Mon, Jul 13th, 2009, 09:14 am
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| CoalMiner said:
My 2009 MMH specifically says do not use E15, in a warning label on the fuel filler door. Also repeated in Owner's Manual, "Use only ... fuel blended with a maximum of 10% ethanol. Do not use fuel ethanol (E85)...". I supose you're already aware of this? I do know alcohol will break down the adhesion qualities of these oils. RFB Last edited by FastMover; Mon, Jul 13th, 2009 at 11:17 am.  |
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Mon, Jul 13th, 2009, 09:54 am
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| billyk said:
I drive a 2005 Ford Escape Hybrid. When you state "results were weak to inconclusive" I'm assuming you are referring to "miles per gallon" comparison with gasoline (E0) and ethanol blends. This is what almost everyone looks at and ignores everything else in an attempt to make an apple to orange comparison. Sometimes I get the same or even better mileage (mpg) on ethanol blends of E20-25. My cost per mile is normally significantly cheaper with the usual ethanol discount. So now I'm testing E10 from Shell, just to see where it fits. Bob Wilson |
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Tue, Jul 14th, 2009, 03:46 pm
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| Yes I am and following what research is showing. That is why the Creed Project (here is one link: http://www.greenenergynetwork.com/me.../prius-e85.PDF) in Minnesota ran E85 in a stock Prius. At the 60,000 mile mark, a Master Toyota mechanic examined the engine and was stunned at how clean the engine was. For your information, Ford Motor Company stated in March 2009 "it was ok to raise the ethanol blending to E15". Link: http://www.kiplinger.com/businessres...nd_090305.html |
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Tue, Jul 14th, 2009, 06:20 pm
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| FastMover said:
At the end of the chemistry, alcohol is a light solvent, a lot more so than gasoline. I have looked for, but not found yet, any research concerning the long term effect of high content ethanol fuels on the light oils used in hybrids (0W-20 and 5W-20 in most cases). I do know alcohol will break down the adhesion qualities of these oils. RFB Then it is stated: "I do know alcohol will break down the adhesion qualities of these oils". But no data is provided to support this statement. This individual at this link: www.e85forum.com/vietopic.php?t=1025 claims to have gone over 180,000 miles with E85 on his 2005 Ford Taurus. Can you contact this individual and exchange your thoughts on this matter? |
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Wed, Jul 15th, 2009, 10:15 am
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| billyk said:
Yes I am and following what research is showing. That is why the Creed Project (here is one link: http://www.greenenergynetwork.com/me.../prius-e85.PDF) in Minnesota ran E85 in a stock Prius. At the 60,000 mile mark, a Master Toyota mechanic examined the engine and was stunned at how clean the engine was. For your information, Ford Motor Company stated in March 2009 "it was ok to raise the ethanol blending to E15". Link: http://www.kiplinger.com/businessres...nd_090305.html Regarding my general chemistry statement, not qualified by test or specific application -- place a few drops of any motor oil in denatured alcohol and watch what happens. Thus, my interest in knowing a lot of other things -- like potential effects of ethanol with synthetic and/or dino oils, effects of ethanol on multi-viscosity chemistry, etc. Testing tells us that ethanol performs satsifactory as a fuel, what I am trying to find out is its effect on the lubrication system, if any. Is it necessary to shorten oil change intervals, or change oil weight or grades as ethanol content is increased? Not making any claims, just trying to find some answers. Last edited by FastMover; Wed, Jul 15th, 2009 at 10:18 am. |
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Wed, Jul 15th, 2009, 10:19 am
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| This individual at this link: www.e85forum.com/vietopic.php?t=1025 claims to have gone over 180,000 miles with E85 on his 2005 Ford Taurus. Can you contact this individual and exchange your thoughts on this matter?[/QUOTE] Link didn't work -- Not Found. RFB |
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