http://www.myhybridcar.com/forums/ en Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:54:16 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.myhybridcar.com/forums/images/misc/rss.jpg http://www.myhybridcar.com/forums/ http://www.myhybridcar.com/forums/toyota-prius/714-transaxle-oil-latest-results.html Mon, 06 Sep 2010 05:25:09 GMT *BACKGROUND* Jeffrey began changing his transaxle oil every 60,000 miles which now includes 120,000 and 180,000 miles. His is a 2004 Prius and now... BACKGROUND

Jeffrey began changing his transaxle oil every 60,000 miles which now includes 120,000 and 180,000 miles. His is a 2004 Prius and now we have a clean record of Type WS history in the NHW20. I've just uploaded Jeffrey Denenberg's latest transaxle oil testing results to the Yahoogroup SAT2 files along with a spreadsheet with the data.

REPORT

(1) additives - after the first change, no effect. There isn't much we can do about them since they are mixed in when the oil is formulated. There is evidence the first 60k change saw some usage but since then, nothing.


(2) wear materials - great profiles, we know Si decreases due to the sealant leaching finally being covered by less soluble material. The Fe decrease is likely, partially due to the sealant pigment, iron oxide, as well as gear surface polish. Speculation but a sealant with another pigment material might let the us track gear wear more accurately. Al, Cu, and Zn appear to be accurate wear materials for what is going on inside the transaxle. Everything else appears to be trace material likely left over from assembly and manufacture.


(3) viscosity - great profiles although the 100C rate of 'shear down' seems to trend downward. Still it met the 15% threshold.


(4) trace - the Na and Mg are worth watching but these are at the limits of detection. The concern is these may be the harbinger of some 'leakage' into the transaxle but at such low values as to be at the limits of detection. The concern is any coolant leaks into the transaxle would also increase or add water, a bad thing.


CONCLUSION

Based upon the Al, Cu, and Zn levels, increasing the oil change interval above 60,000 miles looks feasible. This is offset by the loss in 100C viscosity that has reached the 15% threshold. Extending the next oil change to 90,000 miles makes sense with testing to see what Al, Cu, Zn, and 100C viscosity levels go to. Adjusting change intervals to achieve level Al, Cu, and Zn makes a lot of sense.

Jeffrey reports,". . . the first interval should be at 30k followed by 60k (perhaps) then stretching it out . . . " which agrees somewhat with my plan for my wife's 2010 Prius, ZVW30.

I did the first transaxle oil change at 5k miles with an extended analysis. In addition to flushing the manufacturing and initial wear material this change showed a straight-line to a 15% viscosity loss at 15k miles. So now I'm waiting until 20k for the next change. I'll adjust the subsequent change intervals based upon the straight-line estimate to a 15% viscosity loss. Eventually we will find a stable distance, the interval that leads to reproducible, 15% viscosity loss.

Bob Wilson and Jeffrey Denenberg ]]> Toyota Prius bwilson4web http://www.myhybridcar.com/forums/toyota-prius/714-transaxle-oil-latest-results.html http://www.myhybridcar.com/forums/toyota-prius/713-new-all-weather-mats.html Sat, 04 Sep 2010 14:01:19 GMT Has anyone received the new 'All Weather Mats' from Toyota? We just received a set for our 2010 Prius and they fit terrible. They are much thinner then the old ones and do not seem to fit the floor pan. The way these things are your carpet will get more dirt and snow/water on it then the mats do.

Anyone else notice the same problem?? ]]> Toyota Prius Bob259 http://www.myhybridcar.com/forums/toyota-prius/713-new-all-weather-mats.html